In the November 1989 issue of U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings magazine, young Lt. Mike Sparks warned that the rubber-tired, unarmored and armed HMMWV was very vulnerable 4 years before the Somalia debacle. Warnings were ignored as they are today on the same and other issues because the U.S. military is a blind-obedience, head-in-the-sand type organization full of chest-beating hubris instead of mature adults who correct problems when they see them. I called on arming all our soft-skin vehicles before disasters took place (1993 Somalia, 2003-today Iraq). Now 15 years later, with 1,600 are dead and 11,000 wounded from Iraq the USMC now has "seen the light". So much for such an "innovative" and "progressive" outfit.

Other USMC HMMWV truck firepower "revelations"

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Division's aim is more humvee firepower

Marine Corps News ^ | March 4, 2004 | Lance Cpl. Samuel Palmer

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif.(March 4, 2004) --

Heavily armed humvees are in the marine corps' future but will they come soon enough to help marines in Operation Iraqi Freedom?

If Maj. Gregory G. Frich has his way, they will.

"Our intent is to make this mount available for OIF II as soon as possible," Frich, 1st marine division's ordnance officer, said about a prototype mount that allows attachment of several crew-served machine guns on vehicle doors.

The idea for the mount was spawned during Operation Iraqi Freedom, when marines riding through Iraqi towns in humvees at times ran gauntlets of rifle, machine-gun and rocket-propelled-grenade fire. Sometimes the enemy fire came against softback humvees with no mounted weapons.

"This has the potential to change the way (marines) conduct themselves while under enemy fire in a convoy," said Cpl. David R. Conwan, a machine-gun instructor for 1st marine division schools. "It allows marines to maneuver during any hasty situations that they might find themselves in a humvee."

"It has potential not only to return rounds but also to deter enemy fire to convoys," added Sgt. Joel D. Ramsey, another machine-gun instructor.

The division has been testing the mount for the past month. Testing didn't go smoothly at first; machine-gun instructors rejected the first two prototypes before the third passed a series of field tests.

"The first model that we tested was awkward to shoot with, so we made suggestions to make it easier for use, and within a week, we had a new one to test," Ramsey said.

The mount includes two components that can be installed and removed within a matter of seconds, Ramsey said. The main element has two 1-foot-long metal arms with a cradle that holds the machine guns and ammunition.

There's a bar so the mount can slide along the vehicle. The third component, the door adapter, is attached to the humvee but unnoticeable.

"The machinist has been cooperative with our suggestions. He takes what we have to say, then he brings it back to us improved and in a timely fashion," Conwan said.

Mass production can begin as soon as the mounts are approved, Frich said. The approval process for new items is complex and could delay installation of the mounts on vehicles in Iraq, Frich said.

Approval could take anywhere from three weeks to three years, he said.

"It's difficult to determine how long it can take," he said. "There are so many considerations for final acquisitions approval."

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We have a
kit to mount machine guns to arm HMMWVs, and armor kits but no matter what we do they still cannot swim, go much off road (remember the 1st ID Scouts captured in the Balkans?) and are vulnerable. When Desert Storm kicked off we didn't even send HMMWV Scouts forward due to their vulnerability---the same thing applies to rubber tired LAVs. Ironic is the propaganda for LAV wheels is evident in the article above mine---Malaysian Condor armored cars were toasted by Somali RPGs and small-arms fire shredding their tires when they were used by the 10th Mountain Division to rescue the overly proud rangers at great cost in lives. The answer is light tracked Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs) that are far more mobile and impervious to enemy fires like the illustrious M113A3 Gavin, which is widely available for use.

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Mike Sparks
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